Grateful Dead Live at Huntington Civic Center on 1978-04-16
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Mexicali Blues ->
They Love Each Other
New Minglewood Blues
Scarlet Begonias ->
Fire On The Mountain
Samson And Delilah
Ship Of Fools
Estimated Prophet ->
Eyes Of The World ->
Iko Iko ->
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|They Love Each Other|
|Scarlet Begonias >|
|Fire on the Mountain|
|Samson & Delilah ^|
|Ship Of Fools|
|Iko Iko >|
|Sugar Magnolia *|
|E: U. S. Blues|
Notes from MOTB: This is one of those OMG recordings... we wish this was the quality all of our releases.
Notes from Jim Goldman: In 1990 or so my uncle was going to throw out a big box of reel to reel tapes and since he still had the machine he bought to play them on I wanted to go through the box. Most of the reels were WLS top 40 for 6 years in a row not missing a week. I found a diferent type of tape (Ampex) and it said GD Huntington and that was it. I of course wanted to transfer it as best I could and there were no real 24/48 recorders out there except for computer recording. The computer room was on the complete other side of the home so we did a transfer in real time on a Phillips "super CD" recorder which meant 24/48. What may have happened is we ran out of room on a CD and had to stop the recorder very quickly to change CDs and that may also make the missing verse question answered. I started again at the wrong place. this was a huge challenge and I think we did OK.
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- Huntington, WV
- Run time
- Betty Soundboard
- Taped by
- Betty Cantor
- Transferred by
- Jim Goldman
- Huntington Civic Center
Subject: Talk-in' 'bout, Hey now ! Hey now !
Observations about the 1st set jams they are tight but in no way winded (Cassidy 6 minutes and twenty two seconds)
Both Scarlet & Fire are right around 10 minutes but cover a lot of ground.
I think I gave it a 4 last time I reviewed it but it has grown on me.
Only downside is 15 minutes of drums probably cut into the post
space song selection possibilities.
Not that I wasn't the guy dancing thru the entire Drumz anyway.
A show like this would be legendary to a community like Huntington. W.V. and I love that entire area around the Monongahela
If you take Donna Jean's singing on this night she is such a bigger factor in the band then she was when she joined six years earlier
as an occasional back-up singer.
The sister's influence is all over this show.
Perhaps nowhere greater than on the Aiko.
She is basically doing a modified duet with Garcia.
Anyway, I want to say that the strides that Donna Jean made during her time with the band is mindblowing.
She started out singing on 1 song
that she came on and off stage in between the PITB jam
she ended up 6 years later
singing on just about everything in the repertoire.
Donna gave both Jerry & Bob the opportunity to sing their tunes with a female singer in the mix.
Brent singing on Lazy Lightning NOT the same.
Row Jimmy- not the same without Donna.
And then a tune like Passenger
How about MUSIC NEVER
Those oh's and ah's during SCARLET.
I liked Brent. He grew on me over the years
but he never filled Donna's vocal spot
He mainly was the keys man taking over for Keith.
Yes, he could sing and as I have said before
He went from a side man to a front man
not an easy accomplishment.
But never would I say
Hey is that Donna or Brent singing backing vocals?
Also I feel like Donna's singing freed up Phil to concentrate on the bass.
As much as I like Phil in the mix vocally. Especially 1971
-It is kinda a no brainer that it is his instrumental give and take
with Garcia, that is the jazz foundation of the Grateful Dead.
Also imagine being the back-up singer for The Grateful Dead.
By their very nature with open ended jams
the back-up singer is going to be looking at much down time.
Sometimes for extended periods of the show.
Anyway Donna Jean should have got an invite to the 95 reunion
and I will say it again she deserves to be in the Country Music Hall of Fame.
Just my two cents also this was recorded by another great sister in Grateful Dead land. excellent recording and neat story about how it was recovered.
Subject: Well, you can tell by the way I use my walk!
Subject: 78 is so good
Subject: Beautiful recording...
Subject: That old joie
working in synch - drums and piano standout, but Jerry gets way into it in the first set solos - hey, all the way through. I wish I has been there. Has the energy of '70 and the skill of '77. Peggy-O my oh my. TLEO - so fine, Keith, so fine. And on.
Subject: Solid Show
Subject: Stunning recording of a great '78 show
As for the show, it depends on how you like the supercharged '78 style. If you like it you will love this show, which keeps up the momentum through drums without going off the rails into sloppiness as many '78s do. The first set blazes from the moment they remember what key Jack Straw is played in right through to the last note of Fire. Early '78 Scarlet Fires are justly famous; whether you think this is among the very best or is merely "average great" is up to you, but it sure ain't bad. The Peggy-O is remarkable even among the barrage of standout versions of the mid-'77 to mid-'78 era with a uniquely sharp peak to the solo. Fans of that song will want to check this one out for sure.
The Samson is cut, as noted in the source info, and hopefully will at some point be patched from the Miller fileset. Ship of Fools is one of those versions played with great energy and intent and wasn't a throwaway tune at all on this night. We're right in the middle of the golden era of Estimated Prophet, with a nice peak on the main/first solo/jam and a lovely extended outro jam with Garcia going on a long, twisted tone quest. Eyes is blazing and fast, it's a fine example of a style I don't really like.
Much has been said about the Drums segments on this tour. Certainly the drummers and the band in general were never as engaged as they were for this run, and the incredible tape really captures the fun they were having. That being said, fourteen and a half minutes is a pretty long fucking time for drums (the last four minutes plus of the "Drumz" track is actually guitar Space, with Garcia getting his MuTron freak on).
The short post-drums section maintains the energy of rest of the show and doesn't hit the overblown, out of control level that some do. This Iko is a good one for the era, maybe my favorite. The slow-burn groove isn't too slow, the solos are interesting and Garcia gets into a bit of a growly roar with the vocals by the end (and the vocal interplay with Donna is nicely done) but without getting ridiculous and grating like you'll hear in a few versions. The jam on this Sugar Mag is nice and cohesive, you can hear the hints of what would later become the big Phil-bomb/Bobby-power-chord/Jerry-fanning ending. Bobby and Donna keep their Sunshine Daydream vocal shenanigans in relative check resulting in a nice finish to the set.
Every version of US Blues on this tour pales in comparison to the Cameron version, so just go jam that one again.
Subject: Oh yeah....
The rest of the show is good, but compared to other shows in the '76 - '78 period this is only fair. And, compared to the '68 - '74 period, totally forgettable.
Subject: Best show on Arhive
Subject: Let's be honest....
Subject: yes yes yes
Subject: Five Stars
Boston I guess...I got it in '81..glad it's here and I see what I missed....What a great show.....Jerry sparkles....wish I would have known then what I know now......
Subject: any set with TLEO and peggy-o AND IKO IKO
is a keeper, a gem, and a god send to me.
sound is almost master quality
Subject: another grate bettyboard
Subject: this is it! 5 starts
Subject: Truely awsome
Subject: Awesome sound
And the show is hot. Highlights for me is a smokin' Jack Straw and a wonderful peggy-o. Also of jammin note- Scarlet/Fire and Iko . In fact, there isn't a bad tune in the bunch. Thanks for putting this out there!
Subject: A dream
Subject: Top-notch Betty Board
Subject: Jack Straw
Scarlet Fire is also smoking, despite some vocal flubs "shoes on her toes"
Subject: Will leave you smiling!
Keep on smilin'
Subject: One of the Best
Subject: GREAT SOUND ON THIS ONE!!
Subject: Wake Up Wake Up
Subject: 4-16-78 set I
Both sets are solid in their own right BUT it's the first set where the magic is, being right on par with the the best ever performed.... It's simply fabulous!
This first set is one of those performances that has instantly recognizable versions of all its songs (like 5-8-77 etc...). The versions of this show are so well played and unique that any die hard fan should be able to quickly pick up on it and tell you that you are listening to the Huntington show. That coupled with the fact that the quality of this recording is top notch will keep this set from disappearing into the masses.
JACK STRAW: starts out off key and slow but quickly turns into a raging beast and compliments of Jerry Garcia, a version never to forget.
DIRE WOLF: is short and sweet with the last two minutes of the song having great jams.
CASSIDY: Is unbelievably crisp and clean, a perfect song to BLAST while cruising down the freeway with the top down..
PEGGY O: Is a beautiful version that contains THE absolute best (and longest) musically hardcore jam possible in this particular song.(thanks Jer)
The "Cowboy Songs": are well played and flawless. Albeit not the best ones I've ever heard, great versions nonetheless
TLEO: Just listen to Keith and Jerry- need I say more... once again, a great version that is easily recognizable upon randomly hearing.
MINGLEWOOD BLUES: It is a MUST to listen to the way Weir sings this song especially when he says the word "LION'S" - a true one of a kind... Then comes the jam parts... "holy cow"... That's about the best phrase to sum up the jamming... Dig when jerry takes control of the action at around 3:33 (on my tape). This is my favorite Minglewood of all time..
SCARLET FIRE: Oh goodness, where to start on this one... I am definitely a big fan of 77,78 and I sure have heard some good ones... However, I have to say that the 77 Cornell version is the best of all time and right there tied for second place along with 7-7-78 is this here gem... From Jerrys little cap on WV in the second verse to the climax of Fire, this one was and will always be truly special....
I always used to call this the "Spanish" Scarlet because when I first got this tape in the early 90's, I thought that Garcias guitar playing had a sorta spanish flair to it. The only "downside" of this Scarlet is the spacey jam where DonnaJean moans and groans but I like that part too..
The real sh*t starts at the moment the drummers start the Fire On The Mountain beat... I have always reckoned that to an old locomotive chugging on down the smooth railroad tracks. Why? because the music and especially the percussion is just so F'ing solid and it just stays that way especially the high hat cymbals... Just listen to the high hats throughout the song..
OK, now on to the lyrics...
Listen very carefully to when Jerry starts singing and says "Long distance runner, what you standin' there for"... Right as Jerry says "for" listen to some hillbilly in the audience scream at the top of his lungs aghhhhhhhhhhhh... you have to be listening for it to hear it the first time but thereafter, you will be able to hear it every time as do I.
As for the rest of this musical masterpiece, words are hard to find that describe how awesome Jerry plays out the jammz and then as the climax jam progresses (starting at about 7:00) listen to Bobby's Guitar kick in right along Jerry as they both combine to play lead guitar to end the set.. It's musically orgasmic!
Btw, the second set is good too!
Subject: Great ´78 show
So what of the show then? The possible 16,000 fans at Hartford witnessed one of those shows where it just feels that the band will never play a bum note. Smooth, relaxed and in total control - a great ´78 show that any deadhead will enjoy.
In total then - 5 stars for the SQ, and 4 stars for the music. and since it´s the music that matters I giving this a 4 stars.
Subject: Top 10
Subject: Amazing Show
Great laid back version of Iko Iko into a smooth Sugar Magnolia, topped off with a really fun sunshine daydream jam.
Subject: Heavens to Betsy....I mean, Betty!!!!
SCARLET>FIRE alone worth the price, etc. The transition jam is both beautiful and intense, and charges up to, then melts into...a dream of a FIRE. Also look for the added fun of Jerry singing "She had rings on her fingers and shoes on her toes" in SCARLET.
...and ESTIMATED>EYES worthy of some of the best performances of the previous year.
All great, including the first set....and all contained in the best-sounding board yet.
Subject: OMG is right!!